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    Definition of Beach location?

    A question?
    I have happily worked 10 beaches so far, pebbles underfoot or sand between the toes! No worries.

    However today a beach I 'activated' was made of shell & aggregate over rock, with no anchoring points to support a pole or reliably secure a peg for guys. Rather than giving up I retreated to a beach shelter on the cliff top overlooking the beach. Is this a valid 'beach activation'?

    It is my pedantic nature forcing me to ask, I wouldn't want to claim for something that was outwith the rule or even spirit of the award! I would rather return with additional/different kit & rework the beach for an honest claim, this session could be used for a general /p award claim.

    So our definition of a 'beach' for the purpose of the awards, is my question.

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    Re: Definition of Beach location?

    There is no definition in the award rules but I may add one.

    I would say that it doesn't count (and that's not just because Kaz wants me to slow you down!). I would class a beach as on the beach or the seawall adjacent to the beach. Get back down there with some more kit and work it!

    You could use the cliff top activation as a start for your "Portable Professional" award
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    Re: Definition of Beach location?

    Thanks. Exactly the clarity I expected! But, it shows the flexibility of the awards scheme that no activation is wasted, hi hi.
    Come Kaz!!!

    Oh, supplentary question. Have you considered a table listing numbers of each award type issued, not necessarily identifying claimants? This may inspire some later to attempt the exotics, or give confidence to newcomers to attempt an award when they can see how many have already achieved the target. A thought.

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    Re: Definition of Beach location?

    I'm working on setting the forum permissions so that everyone can see who has claimed an award but can not see the content of the posts but I like the idea of an Awards Table that lists the number of claims per award.

    I'll have a think about the best way to do that.
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    Re: Definition of Beach location?

    You cant define a beach as "on the beach".. Its a circular definition. You COULD define the beach as

    beach

    noun
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    a pebbly or sandy shore, especially by the sea between high- and low-water marks.

    Im not sure about the bit between high and low water, though it is technically correct it's also adding difficulty. I think "shore" or the bit where the water touches is the right answer though, we all "know" what that is. So the cliff top wouldnt count...but it does open another award idea: "Cliff Hanger".


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    Re: Definition of Beach location?

    I wonder if we might settle on a Ham-friendly definition? I propose that a beach 'is a pebbly or sandy shore, especially by the sea, within 1/4 wavelength (of the lowest band used) of the high-water mark.
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    Re: Definition of Beach location?

    I like that John. A term that everyone can understand. I suggest tidal and non tidal waters though, not just "the sea".
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    Re: Definition of Beach location?

    I like the quarter wavelength idea. We ought to knock out "especially by the sea" though. Lake shores are just as good especially on big lakes as in USA Canada, Switzerland etc.

    Are we excluding river banks? Some river banks are shores by our definition. I think we should exclude river banks. Fresh water , salt water lakes and the sea only.

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    Re: Definition of Beach location?

    Good points - well made!

    So we have 'Beach is a rocky, sandy, pebbly or muddy shore on a lake or tidal waters but within 1/4 wavelength horizontally (of the lowest band used) and 5m vertically of the high-water mark'.

    I put in the vertical measurement to challenge the chap working top band from the hill above Clacton Pier
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    Re: Definition of Beach location?

    Now to stir the pot again!
    I like the 1/4 Wavelength idea, but, any microwave enthusiasts may not!

    But, back to my original situation which raised the question. By this I may be allowed to claim, as I think my 10m roach pole may just about touch the sea wall from where I operated!

    Sorry Matt, I should have kept quiet!

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